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AndyBeardo Posts: 180 ★
June 2021 in General Discussion
My favorite mcoc youtuber KT1 has (reluctantly, as he says) released his 1st tier list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Gz9qK4EPb2rtOK68wQ04sHZn4p-FFDcz4XWvmcErQfo/edit#gid=0, link to video 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb0FWE5iv7I&t=19s).
It consists of only 5 categories (Top of the game, meta, useful, occasionally useful, useless) and there are some differences compares to other tier lists you'll know.
What do you think about it?
KT1s 1st tier list: Good, bad, unnecessary? 153 votes
Very good tier list, will help advancing players pick the right champs to rank up
28%
43 votes
Decent tier list but I don't agree with everything
24%
37 votes
I don't agree with a lot here. Many champs are over/underrated
13%
21 votes
I don't care about those tier lists at all, everyone should find out for himself which champs are great
31%
48 votes
WTF why is (think of your favorite champ) not god tier? I'll quit the game right now!!!!!
2%
4 votes
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avenge_123 Posts: 1,307 ★★★
June 2021
Decent tier list but I don't agree with everything
how's guardian in 3rd tier?
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avenge_123 Posts: 1,307 ★★★
June 2021
Decent tier list but I don't agree with everything
damn he's better than HB, sentinel
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Zeroj2k Posts: 146 ★
June 2021
I don't agree with a lot here. Many champs are over/underrated
I hear he'll beat the collector for you too for 50 quid
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AMS94 Posts: 1,776 ★★★★★
June 2021
I don't care about those tier lists at all, everyone should find out for himself which champs are great
See AlsoKhans of Tarkir (KTK) Limited Tier List • MTG Arena ZoneDPS Rankings / Tier List for Cataclysm ClassicMarvel Contest of Champions tier list - The best characters by classMarvel Contest of Champions MCoC tier list - best champions, rankedI don't think there's any need fr tier lists in this game....but out of all the lists I've seen, this one seems to be the one that I agree the most with
U cn see that KT has given it a lot of time & thought & has set some good rules fr the future of his list2
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Gamer Posts: 10,343 ★★★★★
June 2021
Don’t care I’m r op who I’m enjoying to use and who I’m fine good tier list for is is just a mini guide when first started
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Lvernon15 Posts: 11,596 ★★★★★
June 2021
I don't care about those tier lists at all, everyone should find out for himself which champs are great
Tier lists suck, and every one of them is too opinionated, kt’s especially
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Ben93 Posts: 71 ★
June 2021
I don't agree with a lot here. Many champs are over/underrated
Seriously ? Venom the 2nd best cosmic champ ?...
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Rohit_316 Posts: 3,388 ★★★★★
June 2021
This poll makes no sense at all ... it's his personal opinion that's what he thinks , just like Seatin, Vega and many others . If you like/dislike it's fine ..but don't say that is a bad tier list and all those things ..
If you blindly follow it, then it's a mistake on your part.
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SpideyFunko Posts: 21,842 ★★★★★
June 2021
I don't care about those tier lists at all, everyone should find out for himself which champs are great
tier lists are stupid
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Andyball270 Posts: 303 ★★★
June 2021
Very good tier list, will help advancing players pick the right champs to rank up
Ben93 said:
Seriously ? Venom the 2nd best cosmic champ ?...
He specifically mentions Venom as number 2 due to his overall usefulness in the game. And it does make sense. I used Venom for a LOT of Variant content. I use him in monthly sometimes. I use him in aq map 7 on the Spiderman lanes. I've used him in a lot of Story content as well. He isn't the 2nd best because hes always the 2nd best champ because under different circ*mstances he isn't ahead of some of the others. But overall in terms of the amount of different content that he is often useful for i think that's a relatively fair argument. Thats not to say there isnt an argument for other champs at number 2, but its not an outlandish statement when you think about it
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ThatGuyYouSaw235 Posts: 3,162 ★★★★★
June 2021
I don't care about those tier lists at all, everyone should find out for himself which champs are great
Okay seriously, if Ebony Maw is out of the Useless tier, Air-Walker should be as well.
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Zeroj2k Posts: 146 ★
June 2021
I don't agree with a lot here. Many champs are over/underrated
I'm confused why BWCV didn't make the list
she's a utility knife I recently pulled her and finding her so useful 1
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Malreck04 Posts: 3,323 ★★★★★
June 2021
Next time, make an option "Don't know, don't care"
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Berjibs Posts: 1,523 ★★★★
June 2021
I don't care about those tier lists at all, everyone should find out for himself which champs are great
Malreck04 said:
Next time, make an option "Don't know, don't care"
That option is there. Don’t open the post. 🤷🏽♂️
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Giuliameij Posts: 1,849 ★★★★
June 2021
Very good tier list, will help advancing players pick the right champs to rank up
I might not fully agree with every single placement. But I have been thinking about a different structure for tier lists for a long time. KT's comes really close to it.
If you bring up the champs on the left you are pretty much garanteed to be able to clear all pieces of content without many problems. They might not all be the best at what they do. But because those champs can do a lot of very usefull things they are ranked that high.
Same as with the 4 horsem*n for Abyss. They might not be the single best option for every specific fight. But because they can do pretty much all the fights amongst the 4 of them, they are pretty much the best champs for the content. (althou there have been some releases like Prof X that can do abyss extremely well also)4
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Andyball270 Posts: 303 ★★★
June 2021
Very good tier list, will help advancing players pick the right champs to rank up
I particulary liked the fact that there will never be more than 20 champs in the top tier. Made a lot of sense to me doing it that way
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TrashyPanda Posts: 1,574 ★★★★★
June 2021 edited June 2021
It's better than average, but that's not saying anything.
It's coming from his PoV, which is beyond 'just endgame'. For instance, not including champs that don't have a 6* version. The list is also quite influenced by AW, which a lot of us don't even play.
I like his empasis on this being his opinion (obvious, but it needs to be said), as well as his recommendation of needs-based rank-ups.
Like, I don't think Venom is 2nd best Cosmic (available as 6*) unless you haven't done (m)any variants. If you get Venom early, he may very well be the best Cosmic you can take to 5r5/6r2. More Variants done, more resources gained, more progress made.
It all depends on your situation.
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DawsMan Posts: 2,169 ★★★★★
June 2021 edited June 2021
avenge_123 said:
damn he's better than HB, sentinel
Because he bases it on fact as much as possible. Guardian is great, but he is not meta. He's useful. If I need shock, non crit damage, ramp up special two, I grab guardian. On my everyday questing team? No.
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DawsMan Posts: 2,169 ★★★★★
June 2021
TrashyPanda said:
It's better than average, but that's not saying anything.
It's coming from his PoV, which is beyond 'just endgame'. For instance, not including champs that don't have a 6* version. The list is also quite influenced by AW, which a lot of us don't even play.
I like his empasis on this being his opinion (obvious, but it needs to be said), as well as his recommendation of needs-based rank-ups.
Like, I don't think Venom is 2nd best Cosmic (available as 6*) unless you haven't done (m)any variants. If you get Venom early, he may very well be the best Cosmic you can take to 5r5/6r2. More Variants done, more resources gained, more progress made.
It all depends on your situation.
He's a big advocate on the Variants that's why he rates Venom so highly.
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DawsMan Posts: 2,169 ★★★★★
June 2021
ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:
Okay seriously, if Ebony Maw is out of the Useless tier, Air-Walker should be as well.
Why.
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AndyBeardo Posts: 180 ★
June 2021
Zeroj2k said:
I'm confused why BWCV didn't make the list
she's a utility knife I recently pulled her and finding her so usefulshe is in the "top of the game" category
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The_Flying_Jew82 Posts: 73 ★★
June 2021
Very good tier list, will help advancing players pick the right champs to rank up
It is his opinion and he is entitled to it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. IMO I prefer his tier list ... it makes sense. He is letting you know the value of champs based on content. No list is perfect, but I respect his opinion.
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Will3808 Posts: 3,555 ★★★★★
June 2021
Very good tier list, will help advancing players pick the right champs to rank up
I pretty much completely agree with where he put everyone. I’d move guardian and sym supreme up a bit and move Thor and moleman down one but that’s about it. Granted I would like to say tier lists are completely people opinions and don’t really matter other than as a quick reference, but it’s cool to see that I have similar opinions to him.
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AssumedName Posts: 580 ★★★
June 2021
Decent tier list but I don't agree with everything
Stryfes placement is an actual joke.
Guardian should be moved up and Thor down.
Not bad overall.
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SirGamesBond Posts: 4,393 ★★★★★
June 2021
Hmm, okay
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Andyball270 Posts: 303 ★★★
June 2021
Very good tier list, will help advancing players pick the right champs to rank up
In the case of all the debate about wheither the tier list is needed etc it provides more content for his viewers and also a perspective into how he sees the game. I quite enjoyed it. The great thing about it is watching it is COMPLETLEY optional to watch and if these kind of things arent your cup of tea you dont have to watch them
she's a utility knife I recently pulled her and finding her so useful «12»
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